Three 1-meter antennas = One 3-meter antenna?

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alpha015
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Three 1-meter antennas = One 3-meter antenna?

Post by alpha015 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:34 pm

Hi,

I would like to build an amateur radiotelescope for SETI. I know I need at least a 3-meter antenna, but they seem to be too expensive.

Would I get the same results by using three 1-meter antennas? How would I connect them to make them work as a single one?

Thank you! Regards.

alpha015
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Re: Three 1-meter antennas = One 3-meter antenna?

Post by alpha015 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:14 pm

Solved. 9 1-meter antennas

snn47
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Re: Three 1-meter antennas = One 3-meter antenna?

Post by snn47 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:19 am

In theory it works, but you in order to achieve the same gain you have to align all dishes. Alignement is imho the main obstacle to achieving the desired gain.

Dotty1
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Re: Three 1-meter antennas = One 3-meter antenna?

Post by Dotty1 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:28 pm

How have you got on with this project

radiolistener
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Re: Three 1-meter antennas = One 3-meter antenna?

Post by radiolistener » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:41 am

It's not so clear which frequency and which type of antenna did you means.

I googled a little about SETI and probably you're talking about 1420-1720 MHz.
https://www.seti.org/seti-institute/pro ... servations

Parabolic antenna gain is:
Gain = 10 * log10( k * ((pi * D/lambda)^2 )

Source: https://www.electronics-notes.com/artic ... tivity.php

where
k - is the efficiency factor which is generally around 50% to 60%, i.e. 0.5 to 0.6, let's assume it's 0.5
D - is the diameter of the parabolic reflector in meters

For 1420 MHz we have:
3-meters antenna gain is 29.98 dBi = 31.5501 times gain for amplitude.
1-meter antenna gain is 20.44 dBi = 10.5196 times gain for amplitude

31.5501 / 10.5196 = 2.9992 antennas :)

Let's check to make sure.
When we have coherent antennas, it's power sum will be:

For coherent sources P1 + P2 = 20 * log10( 10^(P1/20) + 10^(P2/20) )

Lets calculate result gain of three 1-meters diameter antennas:

20.44 dBi + 20.44 dBi + 20.44 dBi = 20 * log10( 3 * 10^(20.44/20) ) = 20 * log10( 31.5589 ) = 29.98 dBi

So, we have correct result - one 3-meter antenna is equals to three coherent 1-meters antennas. :)

But these antennas needs to be properly directed to the same direction and their phase should be adjusted (to be inphase) before sum of their output. Otherwise your antennas will be incoherent (non-correlated/not in phase sources). The sum of incoherent signals is different:

For incoherent sources: P1 + P2 = 10 * log10( 10^(P1/10) + 10^(P2/10) )
In your case 20.44 dBi x 3 = 10 * log10( 3 * 10^(20.44/10) ) = 10 * log10( 331.9871 ) = 25.21 dBi

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