Nils Critiques the MH370 WSPR Aircraft Scatter Theory

For some time now there has been chatter about the possibility of using WSPR logs to help track the mysterious disappearance of flight MH370. WSPR or the "Weak Signal Propagation Reporter" is a protocol typically used on the HF bands by amateur radio operators. The properties of the protocol allow WSPR signals to be received almost globally despite using low transmit power.  Amateur radio operators use it for making contacts, or for checking HF radio propagation conditions. MH370 is a flight that infamously vanished without a trace back in 2014.

The theory proposed by aerospace engineer Richard Godfrey is to use logs of sent and received WSPR transmissions that may have intersected the potential flight path of MH370, and to look for potential reflections or 'scatter' in the signal from the metal aircraft hull. From the reflections an approximate track of the aircraft could be calculated much in the same way that bistatic over the horizon radar systems work.

While it is an exciting theory, it is unfortunately considered by most experts as highly unlikely to yield any suitable results with the main problems being WSPR transmission power too weak to detect reflections from an aircraft, and the effect of the ionosphere too difficult to account for. 

Over on his blog Nils Schiffhauer (DK8OK) has posted a thorough critique of the idea, explaining the theory, technical details and difficulties in depth, ultimately coming to the conclusion that the idea is based more in wishful thinking than in fact. Nils summarizes:

Time and again, there are news stories in the professional and popular press about the fact that log data from the WSPR data network can help locate aircraft. In particular, the effort is to determine the actual crash site of flight MH370. This effort essentially amounts to detecting "unusual" level jumps and frequency changes ("drift") in the archived WSPR log data and attributing them to reflections from specific aircraft ("aircraft scatter").

In a blog entry, Nils Schiffhauer, DK8OK, for the first time critically evaluates this theory. On the one hand, this is based on years of observation of aircraft scatter on shortwave as well as an investigation of about 30 Doppler tracks. The results of this complex analysis of more than 10,000 data in one example alone are sobering: The effects of aircraft scatter on the overall signal are almost always well below 0.3 dB.

To prove a correlation between level changes of the overall signal and aircraft scatter seems hardly possible on the basis of the WSPR data material. The reasons are manifold, but lie mainly in shortwave propagation, where level changes of 30 dB within a few seconds are the rule rather than the exception.

However, since the local and temporal state of the ionosphere is not known in previous investigations on the WSPR data material - it is recorded in parallel in professional OTH radar systems and calculated out of the received signal - level jumps can hardly be clearly assigned from the sum signal alone. This finding is supported by further arguments in the blog:
https://t1p.de/t5kr

Nils demonstrates aircraft scatter on China Radio International, a 500kW transmitter.

128 comments

  1. sk999

    Curious. In a paper posted on 8 Sept, 2022, Richard Godfrey claims to have made many improvements to his previous analysis of 31 Dec, 2021 and now finds that the 22 minute holding pattern never happened. Hopefully no one ever hitched their wagon to this phantom apparition.

    • Robert Gordon White

      It’s by no means an apparition that Captain Shah put MH370 in a racetrack-like holding pattern off the coast of Sumatra where I Remote Viewed MH370 in a 20 minute holding pattern. Yes, I hitched my wagon to Godfrey’s prior statement on the 22 minute holding pattern. I was unaware that he had changed his mind on that statement. Thanks for posting that bit of info. It’s important info that I’ll have to follow up on.

      Robert

      • PAW

        Wait, if you “watched it (RV)”, and now Godfrey is retracting his calculations. Does that mean you will be retracting your claim? Just curious how that works?

        • Robert Gordon White

          I credit Godfrey’s analysis of the 22 minute holding pattern as being the primary reason I decided
          to reveal what I know about MH370 via Remote Viewing that holding apptern off of the coast of Sumatra.
          If Godfrey is retracting his statement that Captain Shah placed MH370 in a holding pattern off the coast of Sumatra it makes my claims that much more unbelievable in the average eye of the beholder.

          My whole claim is based upon that 20 minute holding pattern that I Remote Viewed Captain Shah place
          MH370 in as his only stop mid flight to place MH370 into a holding pattern for approximately 20 minutes.
          That holding pattern is unequivocal in terms of being the center piece of my claim that I Remote Viewed MH370 and it occurred off the coast of Sumatra. If Godfrey retracts his claim that he has data on it my chances of being believed are pretty much evaporated to less than zilch.

          Not fun IMHO.

          I’m in no way happy about this development.

          Robert

  2. Robert Gordon White

    Please input the website link on Google instead due to the bad link via this website.

    Input http://cambridgeworkinggroup.org/ on Google and it will link for you so that you can verify my
    participation as a signatory & charter member of the 2014 Cambridge Working Group Call-to-Action on American manufactured deadly offensive Gain-of-Function Pandemic Pathogens purposed for Fourth Generation Biowarfare.

    Sincerely, Robert G. White

  3. PAW

    Robert Gordon White:

    I had a chance to review all of your posts here and each post your responded to over the weekend. As someone that has, as I stated before, spent decades proving “psychics, mediums, clairvoyants, remote viewers, etc…” frauds and fakes, and I must say you employ the very same “action responses” to my questions… What I mean by “action responses” is that when asked a question that you know or feel will expose your false claims, you act as if the question was never asked and attempt to change the focus/subject. This is a misdirection, a tactic used by magicians. Of course, even magicians admit that what they are doing is merely an illusion, a trick.

    During the decades (which still continues even today) that I have exposed fakes and frauds, I was challenged by many to allow them to prove their “abilities”… Not one was able to come up with any legitimate information about me, my life, etc… Further, they became obsessed with it and ultimately realized that I understood their tactics to extract information from the subject, and vague assertions to appear to be correct. The greatest Escape Artist, Harry Houdini was my motivation as he spent the rest of his life (after his mother died, and tried to contact her) exposing fakes and frauds. I can categorize those that I have exposed into one of two possibilities or character traits. The first being the charlatan. This individual knows he/she is making up a story and attempting to extract details to use in their story. The charlatan is in it for two things, and two things only… Money and fame, that’s it. The second being schizophrenic. This individual truly believes what they are creating in their own head, because they “see/hear” things and assume they have a “gift” of one form of paranormal ability or another. This individual needs mental help and hopefully at some point they will be given the special attention they need to deal with their disorder. The first individual is nothing more than a common criminal attempting to part people from their wallets. This individual belongs behind bars for their crimes of playing with peoples emotions and stealing their money.

    On many that I have exposed, during the process of understanding which category they fall into, I have been able to lead them to believe a long drawn out story that simply was made up. Further, I have been able to convince some that they have medical conditions such as epilepsy… I had and have no medical background what so ever so clearly my convincing them to seek medical help due to epilepsy points to the fact that anyone can BS others as long as they are willing to believe. Which is really my whole point. It’s human nature to want to believe. To believe in the afterlife. To believe in “supernatural powers”. To believe in ghosts, spirits, talking to the dead, etc…

    You created the story when given a chance to be the focus of attention. Your motivation is your book that you wish to write about MH370, but it has one element that is causing you discomfort. People like me and others that question you, and if there comes a day when MH370 is found and not in the area you claim. Those are huge hurdles that you hope avoid. I believe you understand that you are under a time constraint since Ocean Infinity will be starting it’s public and privately funded search, if they end up finding the wreckage anywhere but the Northern Indian Ocean. If your book is published before MH370 being found, it won’t matter since the sales will have already been made, but if it happens prior, your book becomes the fiction tale we discussed before.

    I’m sure you will continue your claims, it’s all you have. As you stated, you’re “poor”, so why not write a fiction book and claim it’s non-fiction to create and easy income? Your claims regarding your employment/non-employment with the Canadian Government/RCMP and your “security clearance” which you yourself have wavered on the extent of (yes, I do pay attention to details) simply do not add up. You downplay your “position” with/for the government when questioned and boast about it when you feel the need to boost your credibility.

    It’s the minute details that give away your story… By the way, sorry you lost the 2014 election.

    • Robert Gordon White

      I’m cuurently owed $10 million reward money for solving the infamous Sherman Double Murder Case and the MH370 Case is most assuredly not something I’m doing for money or attention. I am a recluse not unlike a hermit and I don’t enjoy being around people let alone a focus of ‘attention’. I Remote Viewed the filight of MH370 and know where it ditched in the Northwest Indian Ocean. I’ve writting to the FBI, Ocean Infinity, Government of Australia, & Government of Malaysia to tell them what I’ve Remote Viewed because everyone is searching the wrong area of the Indian Ocean except Cavauiolo who is not responsible for losing $160 million USD on a search of the Southern India Ocean.

      Respectfully, I’m advancing the honest truth here and I actually did Remote View MH370 live time March 8th 2014 Malaysia time. We are 12 hours behind Malaysia in Ottawa Canada.

      I’m not a dishonest person. I’m formally trained in Experimental Psychology and know when psychopathology leads to lies, frauds, and untruths. I am not like that whatsoever and never have been. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police have known me and my family since I was a small child. I’ve been vetted by RCMP for decades upon decades. Please understand that I couldn’t be the person that I am if I was an inveterate liar and a Confidence Man.

      It’s unfortunate that you are attempting to cast me as a character that would not advance the truth as I was raised to be super honest and reliable. RCMP know I’m an honest reliable person even if you don’t.

      Bottom line here is that I am telling you and the world the truth about what I Remote Viewed regarding MH370. I guarantee you and Law Enforcement that MH370 is located in the Northwest region of the Indian Ocean.

      You are the person that is inventing false narrative not moi.

      You have my word that MH370 is currently sitting on the bottom of the Northwest Indian Ocean. I don’t want any money for helping out in this MH370 search. If my book ever gets written and published I promise you here & now that I will never accept a dime of profit from this tragedy that has destroyed countless lives and caused abject misery for countless millions throughout the world.

      My heart goes out to all people working on finding MH370 even if they are wrong about their conclusions.

      I’m 100% sure of the location of MH370 as I Remote Viewed it live time when Captain Shah highjacked the plane on his mass murder suicide gambit.

      Anymore questions feel free.

      Cheers, Robert

      • PAW

        “For solving the Sherman Double Murder Case”…. You are owed $10,000,000 huh? Did you inform the Toronto PD that you solved it??? Because they still, as of last Friday, have it as an “unsolved case”…

        Clearly, you live in a world of your own… Like many with self proclaimed “paranormal abilities”, you make claims of “solving crimes”, yet to date the FBI’s own stats show that not a single criminal case has been solved by anyone declaring “paranormal abilities”…Further, they always fall back on the claim that they were “told to keep it quiet, a secret, for various reasons”….

        If you do not wish to make anything from your book, then simply publish it online for all to read for free… Make sense?

        And as expected, you followed the misdirection idea to not address most of what I wrote, and instead repeat your heartfelt sorrow for the victims and their families…

        You are making my point with each response…

        • Robert Gordon White

          Toronto Police Services, Public Safety Canada, Prime Minister Trudeau, Premier Ford, & Sherman family lawyers are all very aware of the fact that I solved the Sherman Double Murder Case and they all know that I am owed the reward money of $10 million CDN.

          If you write to me via email I’ll send you my CV so that you can verify my background too.

          P.S. Thank you for expressing regret that I didn’t win the 2014 Election. I didn’t even get 1% of the vote and Mayor Watson won with a massive majority. That election will always get my goat because of the finance fallout that occurred post-election via LRT spending which is in the multi-billions now and Ottawa is bankrupt because of it.

          Cheers, Robert

            • Robert Gordon White

              All of Law Enforcement throughout Canada knows that I have solved the infamous Sherman Double Murder Case via the detailed information I have sent all levels of Law Enforcement in Canada. The FBI is aware of the fact that I’ve solved the case and so is the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, FIVE-Eyes plus one Mossad. Israeli Intelligence knows that I solved the Sherman Double Murder Case and so does goddamned Interpol.

              So, you see that I don’t even need or want any money from the so-called ‘reward money’ for the mh370 tragedy/murder suicide.

              Sincerely, Robert

    • Robert Gordon White

      Note: I ran in the 2014 Ottawa Municipal Election so that I could expose wrongdoing on the part of three levels of government procurment on Ottawa’s multibillion dollar Light Rail Transit boondoggle which has cost our former Mayor Watson his political career given the project failed and now taxpayers are irate.

      Sincerely Robert G. White

      • PAW

        Since the link is not valid and hasn’t been since you first posted it, I’d guess there’s a “reason” for it that leaves you with an “out”…

        Okey dokey, good luck with that.

        • Robert Gordon White

          Please input the website link on Google instead due to the bad link via this website.

          Input http://cambridgeworkinggroup.org/ on Google and it will link for you so that you can verify my
          participation as a signatory & charter member of the 2014 Cambridge Working Group Call-to-Action on American manufactured deadly offensive Gain-of-Function Pandemic Pathogens purposed for Fourth Generation Biowarfare.

          Sincerely, Robert G. White

          • PAW

            ERROR:
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            An error occurred in the application and your page could not be served. If you are the application owner, check your logs for details.

            Can’t help you….

            • Robert Gordon White

              I just tried it via Google and it didn’t work either. Clearly, Five-Eyes doesn’t want me broadcasting the 2014 Cambridge Working Group Call-to-Action on American manufactured deadly offensive Gain-of-Function Pandemic Pathogens.

              I’m not a computer/network techie. Write to Dr. Lipsitch at Harvard University and tell him his website is having technical issues likely due to U.S. Army/CIA Information Operations n’ shenannigans.

              Cheers, Robert

              • PAW

                So now it’s, “The US Government is silencing you”???

                See where my years of experience with exactly this same situation of people making grandiose claims that never pan out, might set off my internal fraud/fake alarm?

                I hope you get the help you need.

                • Robert Gordon White

                  You said that you’d notify TIGHAR of my findings and now you’re obfuscating like a true liar Confidence Man. I trusted you to be ethical and forthright in approach to discourse. You have reduced yourself to namecalling & ad hominem because you know in your heart-of-hearts that I’m extending 100% truth and disclosing what information I can that would allow authorities to successfully find MH370 once and for all without wasting millions USD on the false flag location of the Southern Indian Ocean which has wasted $160 million USD to date and has resulted in delay of retreiving the Flight Recorder for MH370 that is located in the Northwest Indian Ocean.

                  Please be proactive in approach and stop with the ad hominem due to the fact that I don’t deserve that sort of poor behaviour on your part. You seem to ask professional questions yet you then resort to namecalling & invective.

                  wtf?

                  Cheers, Robert

                  • PAW

                    First, I did not call you any names… You need to read what is written, and don’t try to fill in some imaginary meaning to what I wrote… The only one name calling is you…

                    Further, my exact statement regarding contacting anyone on your behalf is as follows: “Tell you, what… Can you give me a long/lat position where you claim to have RV’d the point of impact/landing of MH370? I will be more than happy to send the information to groups such as Odyssey, BEVALDIA, JW Fisher, Mel fisher, TIGHAR, etc…”

                    And my offer still stands… Give me the long/lat position and I will pass it on to all of those organizations…

                    But as you have done with almost every response, you pick and choose the safest part to respond about, if it all, followed by misdirection. You have been asked numerous question, most of which you have avoided answering after I called you out on your original claims. I’m giving you your chance to prove what you claim. You are the one making the claims. It’s not my job to prove them false, which I have done in a lot of this thread. It’s YOUR job to prove YOUR case…

          • Robert Gordon White

            If you don’t apologise for calling me ‘a kook’ I’ll just avoid discourse with you, Joe. Same goes for you, PAW.

            I have feelings just as you do too. If you want to hurt somebody’s feelings or talk poorly of their character I’d rather not know you guys. I studied Personality Theory for my Experimental Psychology B.A. Honours and don’t run people down emotionally or psychologically by interacting with them negatively and by calling them derogatory names. That’s not my way. I’m formally trained in the Social Sciences and you two guys are highly anti-social beings bent on being highly destructive towards people you don’t even know on Internet where you can hide behind false identities and avatars of meaningless existence.

            Sincerely, Robert

            Sincerely, Robert

            • PAW

              That’s your choice, Robert… But again, YOU are the one called names on here, so I owe you nothing. I have offered to forward any real data and you have yet to supply anything. You want everyone to take your word but have been proven wrong quite a bit. Further, you had a pretty nasty disposition towards others on here before I started posting. You may want to take a bit of your own advice. I don’t know about Canada, but in the USA we are still free to make our own decisions. Tell you what, act like you are in the USA long enough to make a decision. I won’t tell…

              • Robert Gordon White

                I get that I have to prove what I’m stating 100% or nobody will bother reading my inputs, but I’ve told you what I know and you still don’t want to accept that I am advancing the 100% truth regarding my statements of which I stand behind every single word and would never change what I have already stated to date.

                Frankly, it’s probably best if I stick to discourse with real people that list their real names instead of avatars to conceal identity.

                I have much to lose if people start damaging my reputation by making false statements about my character when I have a stellar character and a good background with trust established between myself and government as well as Law Enforcement.

                Robert

                • PAW

                  And yet, you skipped over the fact that you were the one calling names…. Again, you were the one telling everyone else on here that only YOU were correct and how foolish and uneducated they were for not believing your story.

                  You want me and others to believe you when you have been wrong at so many turns and then get your feelings hurt when I ask for verifiable proof anything you say. Don’t know what to tell you.

                  Good luck with that.

            • jamaicajoe

              RGW you are the one who is spreading false information, LIBEL that Captain Shah took deliberate actions to murder scores of people when you have absolutely no demonstrable proof. To say that you saw it through “Remote Viewing” is indeed Kooky. This LIBEL affects the lives of survivors of the victims including those of Captain Shah. Also such falsehoods affect the interest and funding to find the truth of how the plane crashed. You are simply a kook boosting your ego by your braggadocios proclamations.

              • jamaicajoe

                Admin Please Notice: Topic; “Nils Critiques the MH370 WSPR Aircraft Scatter Theory” has gotten totally of topic. The discussion should be about the above quoted please.

              • Robert Gordon White

                Respectfully, I already told you that I welcome any & all litigators to contact me before they embarrass themselves losing to me in any court of law regarding my truthful statements on MH370.

                If you think for one second that I am ‘mentally ill’, ‘delusional’, ‘telling lies’, or mistaken in any way please contact the RCMP and tell them how concerned you are about what I am saying.

                At this point I have told you everything you need to know about me that one would need to make informed judgement of my behaviour.

                Sincerely, Robert

  4. PAW

    Robert Gordon White:…. Apparently thread limitations were hit, so I will continue here…

    I’m guessing you only flew during the day on your flight to see the Rolling Stones… Had you flown at night, you would have been aware of the fact that the only things you would see outside an aircraft at night are lights, not land mass… So I’m curious as to what “hard data sightings of land mass” you were capable of obtaining in the dark? Second, I find it disconcerting that someone with your claimed position, education and knowledge is poor.

    I’m puzzled as to why Captain Shah would order the 1st Ofcr Hamid to take a break only 37mins into the flight… Any explanation for such an order? And why would the 1st Ofcr Hamid follow said order without cabin/cockpit replacement?

    Your assumption, or RV, that Captain Shah, after locking 1st Ofcr Hadim out of the cockpit, immediately disabled the lighting to disorient the crew and passengers to not see their iPhones and oxygen masks after depressurizing the cabin… You are obviously unaware of the battery backup lighting in the flooring and doors on all Boeing aircraft, that cannot be turned off by the crew. So the idea that the passengers couldn’t see the oxygen masks, that are smacking them in the head repeatedly as he “noses up” as you stated to scare them into not moving, doesn’t fit the details. You must have been RV-ing in the cockpit at the time, I guess… Further, his climb and decent were within a few minutes timeframe, which doesn’t add up either regarding the rate of climb capabilities of the B777, still left the passengers and cabin crew and the 1st Ofcr Hadim with 15 minutes of oxygen via the masks. On the subject of oxygen, the cockpit ox is only 5 minutes more, so the Captain would have to re-pressurize the cabin as if he did not drop below 10,000ft otherwise he would be without air as well.

    About your claims regarding Captain Shah’s plan…. My first question is where did you get the details of what was going on in Captain Shah’s mind leading up to that night? Are you saying you read his mind as he reminisced about how he purposely didn’t leave a suicide note to take care of his family? That he knew the FBI would investigate (by the way, the FBI offered to help, but they were in no way in control of anything to do with this case) and so he “salted” his simulator to throw them off? That he wanted to die near an expensive vacation spot because he liked it there? Can you give me some incite as to how you were able to read his mind when even his family, friends and coworkers all state he would never do something like this? Are you a mind reader as well?

    The INMARSAT pings were calculated as a send/receive time calculation, not on an autopilot calculation. Hence the three possible rings and three possible locations in the southern Indian Ocean.

    Your understanding of the APU and its ability are astounding to say the least. The APU is turned off during flight ONLY to save fuel consumption. An APU can function at the same altitudes as the thrust engines and would not explode or ignite due to any depressurization since the compartment that houses the APU is not a pressurized compartment.

    So we still have the 2-3 minutes of flight where Captain Shah “landed on water” without any hydraulics, according to you… How was he able to control the aircraft?

    Back to my original question… How would crashing the plane on purpose but so no one could find it, cause harm to the Malaysian government that he was trying to hurt, according to your claim?

    Tell you what… Since you say you only determined the location by sighting the land mass the next day… Again, tell me where it is and I will share the current $70,000,000 reward that is still offered today with you and you won’t have to be poor any longer.

    I think your book will need to be place in the Fiction section of the local stores….

    • Robert Gordon White

      It was a clear sky the night Captain Shah highjacked the flight. Yes I am able to literally read the minds and thinking of human beings I Remote View and that’s how I am able to tell you what he was doing when he salted the false flag Southern Indian Ocean data into his simulator for FBI Forensics to find at a later date. He was not stupid by any means and he was wholeheartedly diabolical in his mindset to mass murder the passengers & crew because his purpose was to conduct a mass murder whilst suiciding and benefiting by the monetary payout that was certain to go to his family via insurance as he grin-fucked the Malaysian Government for jailing his political party leader which happened to represent his political world view for the future of Malaysia via what he wanted to see as leadership in government. In his perspective the world would learn of his jailed cousin candidate that the Malaysian Government corruptly jailed on a charge of sodomy which explains his outrage at a government that persecutes homosexuals.

      Captain Shah had no minutes left to control the flight once the fuel ran out and the engines attempted to restart because of fuel starvation. Once the fuel ran out MH370 crashed down on her belly onto the surface of the Northwest Indian Ocean in less than 60 seconds. Once the fuel shut down the engines he lost complete control of everything and was unable to perform any functions until power was restored to the engines which never occurred.

      I know how Inmarsat calculated distance from the satellite via doppler shift. Their calculations are laughable
      from a perspective of Metrology proper.

      The lights in the cabin went completely dark and I only Remote Viewed the co-pilot sitting on the floor of the aircraft attempting to use his iPhone to send an emergency call out. That explains why his cell phone pinged with the cell tower when the aircraft came within distance but no connection actually manifested because the co-pilot was dead by the time MH370 came within receiving distance from the Penang cell tower receiver.

      No I don’t view myself as a mind reader, but when I’m Remote Viewing somebody I can indeed ascertain what they are thinking about unless they are severely disturbed & psychotic. Psychopaths engage in psychopathic behaviours without stereotypical psychotic manifestations exhibited behaviourally. Captain Shah was as cool as a cucumber for the whole mass murder and suicide into the ocean. He had no fear whasoever and lacked emotionality.

      Sincerely, Robert

      • PAW

        Clear sky with no clouds does not mean you can see land mass. Further, moon-set for Kuala Lumpur was 12:39, moon-rise was 12:56pm local time, so the light from the moon was non-existent to aid in your “Remote View”.

        So your claim is, you read minds now as well… Talented…

        So, again, your claim is that Captain Shah decided to crash the plane, killing hundreds of people he did not know and himself in some sort of protest against the Malaysian government in a way that nobody would know, including the Malaysian government, that he was “sticking it to the man”???

        An aircraft, even one empty of fuel doesn’t fall from 33,000ft or even 25,000ft in less than 60 seconds… You should have paid more attention in physics class. Besides, you claimed earlier that Captain Shah “landed on the water” on purpose…. So which story are we supposed to believe now?

        Your “knowledge” of the INMARSAT calculations is questionable at best.

        The 1st Ofcr Hamid’s cellphone pinged the tower, it was not a dial attempt. The two give very different logged actions with the carrier… So your assessment of this is wrong as well.

        Again, my suggestion would be to make sure you make millions on your fiction novel, you will need it for the lawsuit that Captain Shah’s family will bring.

        • Robert Gordon White

          My book will be published as non-fiction or it will never get published. I talking non-fiction for MH370 I assure you and I resent the implication that I would write otherwise given that I am honour bound to behave ethically & honestly at all times vis-a-vis any research I do.

          You are seriously mistaken if you think I would behave unethically in any way.

          Talk tomorrow I’m tired and going to bed it’s late here 10:15pm.

          RGW

  5. PAW

    Here’s just a question that keeps popping up in my head regarding the WSPR data and the theory behind it’s possible use. First and foremost, let me state that it very well may work, and for the families sake, and I hope it does. With that said, my understanding it the “hits” or “losses” depending on how you want to label it, in the ident ping transmissions/receptions requires that the signal is never affected by atmospheric changes. It seems to be based on calculations, not unlike the INMARSAT data that gives us the three half-moon position lines (theory currently of course)… So my question is, why would we throw out the INMARSAT confirmed communications and the calculations regarding positions, for a non-communication confirmed theory of calculations?

  6. Mike Glynn

    I’m sorry Robert, no offence, but what you are saying contradicts known facts and your aviation knowledge is meagre to say the least. You constantly reference some sort of Security qualification but haven’t explained its connection to MH370 nor why you are broadcasting that you have some sort of Security role, when REAL security operators never do that.
    Nor have you explained why in the context of NEED-TO-KNOW considerations, why a Canadian Security operative would NEED-TO-KNOW anything about what happened to MH370 based on their line of work. Good luck with your book…. you are going to need it. Im out.

    • Robert Gordon White

      Play your games elsewhere, Captain Glynn.

      I no longer care whether you are here pontificating or not.

      You know nothing about Counterintelligence.

      RGW

      • PAW

        We’ve already established you are, at best, a government employee… Your words, not mine…. You made the mistake of implying you “remotely viewed to crash while it happened”… Since you have already admitted you are just a GE and not a “secret agent”, your reference to “remote viewing” only leaves one possibility, and that is that you see yourself as one with “psychic abilities”…. There is absolutely no science what so ever in the “psychic realm”…. I’ve spent the better part of 4 decades proving every single “psychic” as they frauds they are, including on TV and radio…. Now, unless you are going to change your story and tell us that you ARE a “secret agent” with the RCMP and have some “super duper, remote viewing technology” that the rest of the entire scientific world is unfamiliar with, you may want to tamp down the ridiculous claims. Opinions are one thing. Everyone has them, including everyone on here… Nobody, including you, has inside info regarding the fate of MH370. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say your ridiculous claims revolve around your “book” that you wish to write… As Captain Glynn said so well, “good luck with your book…. you are going to need it”…

        • Robert Gordon White

          I am not employed by the Government of Canada in any capacity. I have Enhanced Reliability Status security clearance because I’m a private Counterintelligence individual that government intelligence follows 24/7/365 because of what I know.

          My security clearance under the RCMP allows government to know who I am and what I’m researching as well as who I communicate with. Moreover, the Government of Canada asked me to teach Intelligence and I declined their offer because I don’t like teaching. After they vetted me and offered me a full time position teaching intelligence to government Intelligence Officers my security clearance remained because security clearance has nothing to do with whether or not I accept a position in government.

          I told you people to look at Sergio Cavauiolo’s website last night.

          I am a Remote Viewer with half a century of experience Remote Viewing. I am not a ‘psychic’ and if you knew anything about Metaphysics you’d know about Remote Viewing.

          Anymore questions?

          RGW

          • PAW

            Nope… Your ridiculous claims get more entertaining by the minute. I’ll give you that…

            Good luck with your “remote viewing”… Wait, I do have one question. Earlier you stated you “Remote viewed the flight when it occurred”…. How did you “know” the flight was in danger to know to “remote view” the captains actions while he “did it”?

            • Robert Gordon White

              I don’t know how I sense these types of key events exactly when they manifest in real time. I have spent countless hours pondering how it’s possible that I can Remote View incidents like the MH370 flight or how I am able to Remote View people like Captain Shah working in his basement in his home on his flight simulator.

              You ask great questions that I am unable to answer. I think it might have something to do with the Collective Unconscious of human beings and Carl Jung is best suited to explain the Collective Unconscious mindset.

              I give you my word that I Remote Viewed the MH370 highjacked flight to its final resting place in the Northwest Indian Ocean. It will be found in the location I have outlined and Inmarsat, Richard Godfrey, and Ocean Infinity will all be proven wrong in their search areas before people finally relent and decide to search the Maldives area that Sergio Cavauiolo has outlined on his website.

              You can call the RCMP Monday through Friday during Office Hours if you want to verify my security clearance status which is currently active.

              I realize that what I am stating strains credulity, but I am telling you the truth and I did Remote View the MH370 flight when it occurred. We are exactly 12 hours behind Malaysia in terms of time. When Captain Shah mass murdered the passengers & crew at the Igari waypoint it was afternoon here in Ottawa Canada.

              Sincerely, Robert

              • PAW

                And what, exactly, did you “see” during that flight?

                2nd question…. Since you “sensed” this event… That implies “psychic abilities”… Does it not?

                3rd question…. You claim, here and elsewhere, of your extensive education/training in “remote viewing”, yet you state here that you do not know how or why you have this “ability”… If you “trained/studied” to do it, (as almost every developed countries governments/military’s have tried for decades and failed and for the most have determined there is no truth to it), how can you not know how you “do it”?

                • Robert Gordon White

                  I saw Captain Shah ask the co-pilot to leave the cockpit as soon as he said goodbye to Air Traffic Control. The co-pilot left the cockpit as asked and Captain Shah then immediately pulled the fuse buss to disable all the lighting in the passenger & crew areas of the cabin.
                  He then turned the plane around on a 180 back towards Malaysia as he increased elevation and depressurized the cabin in order to mass murder the entire plane roster of crew & passengers. It took about two to three minutes to murder the passengers & crew and then he flew the plane to the holding pattern location off the coast of Sumatra where he placed the plane in a racetrack holding pattern for approximately 20 minutes whereby he then flew the plane at low altitude towards the Northern Indian Ocean location where he ditched the plane after changing direction many times so that no straight trajectory could be used to detect the plane’s whereabouts.

                  He landed the plane on a calm ocean surface one minute after it ran out of fuel. The Inmarsat data is useful for this point of fuel exhaustion because it shows that the Inmarsat hypothesis was indeed useful, but just not usefull for the Southern Indian Ocean where Inmarsat scientists falsely claim the plane resides.

                  #2
                  Sense experience does not necessarily imply ‘psychic abilities’, but I am considering that it might given your perspective.

                  I have been Remote Viewing since I was approximately five years old. Remote Viewing is inate and not learned behaviour. I studied Experimental Psychology at Carleton University and did not study Remote Viewing whatsoever academically. I only started talking about my experience in terms of Remote Viewing after I graduated from university.

                  I can honestly say that I don’t know how I am able to Remote View. Sorry if you can’t accept my honesty and truthful disclosure vis-a-vis Remote Viewing. I’m not trained in Remote Viewing by the Intelligence Community. I know what the CIA has done vis-a-vis the research.

                  Remote Viewing is empirically demonstrated behaviour and not ‘fake’ or pseudoscience.

                  MH370 is located in the Northwest Indian Ocean and when authorities find it you will realize I was telling you the truth the whole time.

                  Have a good weekend. If you have anymore questions feel free as I’m not going anywhere and am always near to my computer to aswer email or posts.

                  Robert

                  • PAW

                    And what reason did Capt Shah give 1st Ofcr Hamid to leave the cockpit?

                    As a Captain with 33yrs of experience, why would he decide he needed to climb from 33,000 to 43,000+ to cause passengers/crew to die after depressurization, when at 33,000 it would happen just as quickly?

                    If Capt Shah’s plan was to “get back” at the Malaysian Government, why wouldn’t he want to make it public? Leave a note or some kind of communication blaming them for his actions? Further, why didn’t he just nose dive it at the Igar Waypoint? What would be the reason someone that wanted to harm the Malaysian Government, wouldn’t want the world to see the mess the “government made him cause”?

                    The position you are declaring he “landed” the plane on the water, in the norther Indian Ocean area doesn’t mathematically calculate with the INMARSAT pings/handshakes. How do you account for this?

                    “He landed the plane on a calm ocean surface one minute after it ran out of fuel”… Let’s assume for a moment, you are correct… In order for Captain Shah to do so would require a working APU and if the aircraft ran out of fuel, the APU has no fuel to function either… That shuts down the Captains ability to maneuver the aircraft due to the lack of hydraulics without the APU to supply power for the pumps. Captain Sully had a fully functioning APU and therefore hydraulics to control the aircraft as it glided down and onto the water. At the assumed glide speed of 150mph, with no hydraulics, “landing on water” would be an impossibility. As someone with a Mechanical Eng Degree, I would assume you would understand and know that already.

                    “Empirically demonstrated”? “Observed” by those wanting it to be real within the government/military realm, maybe… Repeatable in practical applicational tests, no… Hence most, if not all governments shifted those budgets elsewhere after decades of attempts, or eliminated the projects all together… The USSR data release after the fall gives great detail of their frustration with trying to make it actually happen and failing.

                    Tell you, what… Can you give me a long/lat position where you claim to have RV’d the point of impact/landing of MH370? I will be more than happy to send the information to groups such as Odyssey, BEVALDIA, JW Fisher, Mel fisher, TIGHAR, etc…

                    • Robert Gordon White

                      See Sergio Cavauiolo’s website MH370.found for approximate location due to the fact
                      that he took headings from the villagers who were on scene at the time it passed over them and went out into the ocean in direction they claimed to investigators including Cavauiolo. As one that Remote Viewed where MH370 landed in the Northwest Indian Ocean I know for a fact that it is sitting there, but I had no way of determining lattitude & Longitude coordinates given that Remote Viewing occurs with one’s brain and not a coordinate positioning system built in to our brains. Remote Viewers determine whereabouts via hard data sightings with land mass as a reference. The 22 minute holding pattern was Remote Viewed by me live time when it occurred, but at that juncture in time I only had land mass to go by to determine where the plane actually was on the map. I didn’t know where the plane was when I Remote Viewed it off the coast of Sumatra. I only knew that it was a jumbojet highjacked by a Psychopath Captain that was involved in a mass murder suicide. As he flew the plane I made sure to grab data from land mass as he flew to the final destination. Post-Remote Viewing that day I waited until enough information became available so that I could make verifications of the data I collected as Captain Shah carried out his mass murder suicide gambit. I only figured out that Cavauiolo had already figured out the location with his research. In brief, I had the Remote Viewing data but it was not enough data to determine what was going on and where the plane actually ditched because I don’t know that area via geography and I failed Geography in high school because I have really had no interest in Geography my entire lifetime due to the fact that I’m far too poor to travel anywhere and likely never will travel anywhere in my lifetime.

                      The farthest distance I have travelled in my lifetime was to see the Rolling Stones in Buffalo New York back in the late 70s. I flew on a plane once back in the 70s to Toronto from Ottawa. My experience in Aviation consists of approximately a half hour of flight time as a passenger to Toronto.

                      Captain Shah told the co-pilot to go to the cabin for a coffee break/bathroom break to get him out of the cockpit and then he immediately locked the cockpit door and pulled the fuse buss to disable cabin lighting so everyone would be disoriented and not able to see their iPhones or Oxygen Masks after he depressurized the cabin and increased altitude as he banked sharply all to frighten the passengers & crew into sitting still as they were mass murdered in a depressurized cabin with no lights, oxygen, or ability to
                      stand due to his banking of the airplane and vertical climb which all served to disorient those he was mass murdering all in one fell swoop.

                      Captain Shah did not leave a suicide note due to liability for his family. He made sure that the plane would never be found so that the world would always lack the required information to determine criminal intent on his part. He did not want his family to be denied payout for his untimely death. He knew the FBI would be investigating and that’s why he salted his simulator with the false flag lead into the Southern Indian Ocean. The FBI knows he was practicing landing in airports located in the Maldives region as well. The FBI forensic investigators fell for Captain Shah’s ruse and the world is placed on a goosechase because of that.

                      He didn’t ditch over the China Sea at the Igari waypoint because he wanted to suicide in the Maldives region where planes and ships rarely travel. The location he chose to bury himself in the cockpit of his Boeing 777 200ER was chosen because he liked that high end resort vacationing area and that’s where he wanted to have his enternal grave set up because he liked that area and wanted to die there.

                      The Inmarsat ping connection circles of interest are all based upon a straight autopilot calculation and the Southern Indian Ocean location fit the inputs that Inmarsat scientists plugged in to their calculus for location based upon an unmaned autopilot flight at cruising altitude. Sergio Cavauiolo crushed the same data as Inmarsat and he took an inverse of the Inmarsat calculation and found that the ping areas of connection to onboard computers of mh370 corresponded exactly with the Inmarsat ping location data inputs based upon a live pilot actively flying the plane into the Northen Indian Ocean as opposed to the cherry picked Inmarsat Southern Indian Ocean location which the world already knows is false due to the evidence of the 22 minute holding pattern data we already have.

                      Anymore?

                      Cheers, Robert

                    • Robert Gordon White

                      APU details of MH370 were Remote Viewed as follows: As soon as Captain Shah depressurized the cabin at the Igari waypoint post-communcation with Malaysia Air Traffic Control and after locking the co-pilot out of the cockpit the APU was activated and because of that altitude at 35k feet it was not operating as it would on the ground elevation which is what it’s designed for.

                      After the APU was automatically started due to depressurization of the cabin electrical systems due to Captain Shah pulling the fuse buss the APU began shooting out flames of unburnt fuel that was igniting as it flew out of the tailpipe likely due to incomplete combustion at 35k elevation. Actually, Captain Shah increased elevation from his cruising altitude of 35k feet so the APU started malfunctioning at higher altitude than 35k feet.

                      When the APU started shooting out unburnt fuel from insufficient fuel combustion in the APU turbine engine that’s when the Oil Rig Worker spotted MH370 as it was above the China Sea post-Igari waypoint. That Oil Rig Worker was summarily fired from his job after reporting what he saw in the night sky to authorities. His company fired him for reporting it and for the flurry of reporting that existed surrounding missing MH370.

                      The broken APU was spewing unburnt fuel for the remainder of the flight into the Maldives region and villagers reported hearing a loud noise emanating from the plane as it passed over them. They explained that the plane didn’t sound right and that’s the noise they heard which was a busted APU turbine. The turbine engine was malfunctioning from the time Captain Shah highjacked the plane and intentionally depressurized the cabin in order to mass murder the passengers & crew.

                      That APU will be found to be completely unservicable when authorities eventually retreive the plane.

                      Sincerely, Robert

      • jamaicajoe

        RGW Again I am publicly Challenge You SIR:

        Remote Viewing? I am calling 100% BS on this. RGW.

        But having an open mind, I challenge you to describe the environment in which I am typing this. Please identify 10 unique objects in detail from my left peripheral vision to my right peripheral vision +/- ` 110 degrees azimuth +/- 45 degrees elevation. .

        Ten Unique objects in detail. You will be scored 1-10

  7. Robert Gordon White

    I’m a Counterintelligence Analyst not an ‘agent’ or ‘secret agent’. Everyone in government has to have a security clearance to work for government. One has to have a security clearance in order to be interviewed for employment with any & all government departments.

    As a CANUCK citizen I, for one, cannot work for the CIA. Nor would I ever align with them given their covert criminality & crimes against humanity.

    As a Communist adherent and a Marxist I, for one, would naturally fall into the Chaos camp, Mr. Smart-A$$.

    RGW

    • jamaicajoe

      Remote Viewing? I am calling 100% BS on this. RGW.
      But having an open mind, I challenge you to describe the environment in which I am typing this. Please identify 10 unique objects in detail from my left peripheral vision to my right peripheral vision +/- ` 110 degrees azimuth +/- 45 degrees elevation. . Unique objects in detail.

      • Robert Gordon White

        I don’t need the heavy distraction of attempting to determine what’s going on in your peripheral vision Jamaica Joe. It’s not a matter of importance to the Collective Unconscious Mind of civilization. It would become a parlor game if I did that sort of thing.

        Remote Viewing is not a parlor game.

        I do appreciate the anecdotal humour though. Most people chide me in the same manner. It’s predictable how people react when I start talking about Remote Viewing.

        Sometimes the reactions are funny.

        RGW

        • jamaicajoe

          Well As for your (non)response above I award you 0 out of 10 possible points.

          I in fact dabble in the art of remote viewing. . As far as you RGW, I see a person who is a bit theatrical , perhaps flamboyant. Who is obsessed with cameras and espionage, but frankly is a bit more Mr. Bean than James Bond.

          • Robert Gordon White

            If I was ‘obsessed with espionage’ it’s highly doubtful I’d have a government security clearance under the RCMP. I’m not ‘obsessed’ with anything with the exception of smoking cigarettes of which I’m pretty much obsessed, frankly. If I don’t have cigarettes I cannot focus or even think about anything except cigarettes.

            I’m way more Mr. Bean than James Bond you’re right.

            I’d still love to be Michael Caine in Alfie as he was the best of the spy characters.

            RGW

            • jamaicajoe

              Quite revealing.indeed.. Alfie a spy? Looking up women’s dresses? Maybe Harry Palmer? I think maybe your “remote viewer” is cloudy.

              • Robert Gordon White

                I meant to say Harry Palmer you’re right. I forget the name of that movie and I’ll have to look it up.

                Michael Caine was the better spy with more to consider than Bond ever had to. Bond always got the chicks too easily too. Caine had to work for it. Different writers different scripts.
                RGW

                RGW

  8. Mike Glynn

    Robert, flying a 777 at low altitudes DECreases fuel range very, very significantly. Airliners are designed to fly at high altitudes for maximum fuel efficiency. I am a former 747/A330/767 captain. Your security clearance is meaningless in the case of MH370.

    • Robert Gordon White

      I know for a fact that MH370 ditched in the Northwest region of the Indian Ocean. That’s why my security clearance matters as I’m a Counterintelligence individual and can guarantee all forensic investigators that MH370 ditched adjacent to the Maldives and not into the Southern Indian Ocean.

      I’m about to write my first attempt at book authorship on the true location of MH370. I can guarantee you and all involved in aviation that MH370 is indeed located adjacent to the Maldives in the Northwest Indian Ocean based upon knowledge of the flight path and upon data provided by researchers.
      Believe me my security status matters vis-a-vis this forensic case of MH370.

      Captain Shah most assuredly was spotted flying over islands in the Maldives, but authorities denied
      the veracity of their claims due to the geopolitics of the situation for Malaysia, Australia, and USA.

      $160 million USD has been wasted on searching the Southern Indian Ocean to date. Ocean Infinity is
      searching blind with no evidenced based data whatsoever. Fuel calculations are obviously incorrect based upon eyewitness accounts that sighted MH370 March 8th 2014.

      Sincerely, Robert

      • jamaicajoe

        I recall that not only was a plane spotted overflying the Maldives at the time, that a fire bottle floated into shore and was recovered by Maldive authorities. Whatever happened to that fire bottle. No speculation, what physically happened to it from chain of custody to the investigation of its providence?

        • PAW

          Thank you for that info. I hadn’t heard about the Halon bottle recovery. I’ve tried to find anything about it after 4/7/14 and it is as if it just vanished from the investigation. Not another word mentioned about it after that. Weird…

          The images of it make it look as if it is still sealed and pressurized. I don’t know the buoyancy of such and item and I can’t find where exactly on Baarah (N/S/E/W???) it was found… Very interesting indeed.

          • jamaicajoe

            Yes the fire bottle finding on Maldives was entirely covered by the noise of the Inmarsat Doppler theory. I do not buy into any of the theories based upon the Doppler theory. The “sharp turns” and other maneuvers could simply have been local oscillator shift of the satellite terminal induced by rapid temperature changes due to either fire or rapid decompression. The theories that Pilot Shah deliberately commandeered the plane are not substantiated by any factual evidence. So far investigators have manipulated data to fit the hypothesis of a deliberate act.

            • Robert Gordon White

              The 22 minute holding pattern is empirical evidence that Captain Shah intentionally commandeered MH370 and WSPR data are wholly significant in this manner.

              RGW

      • PAW

        Yes of course…. A “Counterintelligence agent” that happens to be bragging to the world about his “super secret clearance” in a forum on the internet…. Ok, hello Mr CIA man, my name Maxwell Smart, I am also know as “Secret Agent 86” and I work for “Control”… I have asked the Chief for approval to have Agent 13 stationed outside of your office building inside a trashcan, Larabee across the street in the bakery and Hymie is following your every footstep… We know you have been feeding Top Secret info to Chaos and we will catch you in the act at some point…

        • Robert Gordon White

          I’m a Counterintelligence Analyst not an ‘agent’ or ‘secret agent’. Everyone in government has to have a security clearance to work for government. One has to have a security clearance in order to be interviewed for employment with any & all government departments.

          As a CANUCK citizen I, for one, cannot work for the CIA. Nor would I ever align with them given their covert criminality & crimes against humanity.

          As a Communist adherent and a Marxist I, for one, would naturally fall into the Chaos camp, Mr. Smart-A$$.

          RGW

          • PAW

            So, your statement of ” I have Enhanced Reliability Status security clearance under the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and I’ll bet my security clearance against any & all forensic investigators of MH370 given that they are unprofessional and are not security cleared as I am.” as well as, “my security status matters vis-a-vis this forensic case of MH370”, was just bloviated BS since you are now stating you are just a government employee? Prior to my calling you out, you made yourself out to be “THE GUY with the HIGHEST SECURITY CLEARANCE and PRIVY TO INFO NONE OF US HAS”…See why I’m not buying your story in any way shape or form yet? As for the CIA comment, that was part of the joke…. As for your communist loyalty, well, good luck with that… Bye Siegfried, Hymie is on your tail…

    • jamaicajoe

      Non of that really matters to RGW. He wants us to think he was in the cockpit watching the “Evil Captain” crashing a plane at excruciating slow motion in an alternative world rather than fighting to keep its smoking hulk airborne for hours . I think maybe RGW time travels on microdoses of LSD.

      • Robert Gordon White

        When Captain Shah ditched MH370 in the Northwest Indian Ocean at a slow glide easy entry onto the surface of the Northwest Indian Ocean adjacent to the Maldives resort islands I was Remote Viewing the Boeing 777 200ER from outside the plane about 1000′ away watching it approach from in front of the aircraft.
        The generator attached to the belly of the aircraft popped out of the belly to generate airflow for the generator intake. That instance of the generator popping out of the belly of the aircraft occurred when the engines were fuel starved and attempted to restart thus causing the ping connection handshake with Inmarsat mainframe.

        RGW

        • jamaicajoe

          1) Proof of LSD microdosing. RGW took so much black Owsley at the Rolling Stones concert that he took Greyhound back home.

          “The farthest distance I have travelled in my lifetime was to see the Rolling Stones in Buffalo New York back in the late 70s. I flew on a plane once back in the 70s to Toronto from Ottawa. My experience in Aviation consists of approximately a half hour of flight time as a passenger to Toronto.”

          2) How could RGW see all of this from a 1000 feet away flying abreast of MH370 whilst riding on a dragons back?

          “Captain Shah told the co-pilot to go to the cabin for a coffee break/bathroom break to get him out of the cockpit and then he immediately locked the cockpit door and pulled the fuse buss to disable cabin lighting so everyone would be disoriented and not able to see their iPhones or Oxygen Masks after he depressurized the cabin and increased altitude as he banked sharply all to frighten the passengers & crew into sitting still as they were mass murdered in a depressurized cabin with no lights, oxygen, or ability to
          stand due to his banking of the airplane and vertical climb which all served to disorient those he was mass murdering all in one fell swoop.”

          I rest my case ….

          • Robert Gordon White

            I Robert Gordon White have never once in my life ingested LSD, Cocaine, or any Pharmaceutical recreational illicit drugs ever in my pathetically small existence as an individual residing in CANUCKISTAN’s capital city.

            I once tried Magic Mushrooms just for fun and it was fun. I’m a longtime chronic marijuana user, but Prime Minister Trudeau doesn’t hold that against CANUCKS anymore and neither does Law Enforcement.

            You are a funny guy, Jamaica Joe.

            lol

            Robert

            Sincerely, Robert

            • jamaicajoe

              That right there is as much as an admission that you did so out in podunk.

              “I Robert Gordon White have never once in my life ingested LSD, Cocaine, or any Pharmaceutical recreational illicit drugs ever in my pathetically small existence as an individual residing in CANUCKISTAN’s capital city.”

            • jamaicajoe

              All joking aside. Making theories that Captain Shah deliberately crashed MH370 is in very bad taste.

              While the oppressive Malaysian Government, the Airline, The Boeing Corp, possibly Motorola et-al may be happy with the focus on an intentional act, it has not been proven.

              You must consider the family of Captain Shah and the families of the passengers. They do not have the truth and the truth will be hard to find if focus isn’t placed on the recovery of the aircraft.

              As it stands, nobody with deep pockets wants to find MH370 and the suicide theory fuels that lack of motivation.

              • Robert Gordon White

                I am doing this for the victims’ families and I’ve already written to the representatives of the victims to tell them what I know before I started talking here. Ms. Nathan knows what I have conveyed to the victims vis-a-vis Remote Viewing MH370.

                MH370 will never be found anywhere but in the Northwest Indian Ocean as I am stating now for future consideration when I’m proven to be correct in what I have Remote Viewed regarding the MH370 case. If Forensic Investigators continue to waste millions of dollars looking for MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean it will take that much longer to retreive the plane’s Flight Recorder.

                MH370 victims are not being assisted in a proactive manner by searching the wrong area of the Indian Ocean. It’s best to use actual data not inferential data. Villagers in the Maldives are actual data to work from because they give us robust data on heading and velocity as well as control of the aircraft via an active pilot that circled one of the islands and passed over another whereby sightings were established and the data is robustly usable whereas inferential isn’t.
                RGW

                  • Robert Gordon White

                    That doesn’t exactly leave me with much to work with if I don’t understand your concept of ‘sick’, Jamaica Joe?

                    I’m smart, but I’m not a mind reader unless I’m Remote Viewing you and I’m not.
                    RGW

                    • jamaicajoe

                      You know when “hip” folks with neck beards and tattoos point at some hopped up car or motorcycle and say “wow thats sick”. ?

                      Well, I am not one of those folks.

        • PAW

          Wait, if you were “remote viewing” for 1000ft away, then how do you know what went on inside the cockpit and cabin?

          • Robert Gordon White

            I only Remote Viewed the cockpit from the time they sat in it until Captain Shah had pulled the buss, depressurized the cabin, banked left 180 degrees and increased elevation through the end of his banking and as he topped his elevation. Then when he was at his highest elevation I started Remote Viewing the co-pilot struggling to call out with his iPhone and then after that nanosecond experience I went to Remote Viewing outside the aircraft until I actually heard what I perceived to be the entire planeload of passengers & crew screaming on the outside of the aircraft as it took off into the night sky leaving all the souls/ghosts of passengers & crew at approximately 40k feet elevation over the China Sea post-Igari waypoint where Captain Shah started his life of crime as a mass murderer hoping never to be caught via evidence obtained from the actul MH370 aircraft.

            Sincerely, Robert

            • PAW

              I hope you can afford a good attorney, because all I can see here in your claims is lawsuit filing from the Captain’s family… Good luck with all that.

              • jamaicajoe

                Yeah, sadly this nonsense written on the internet never goes away and Captain Shah’s young kids will be subjected to this libel when they are old enough to go online.

                A few years back there was an air traffic controller murdered by a surviving family member of an air crash.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Kaloyev

                It would be terrible if their were criminal retribution taken on the innocent family.

                I truly hope the plane and black boxes wash up some day soon so that the true story can be known.

                I hope RGW tones back his theories to comply with actual facts.

              • Robert Gordon White

                As long as I am speaking the truth about what I have Remote Viewed I, for one, have no worries in the entire world about libel litigation. I welcome the litigation if anyone thinks for one second that I am not telling you the truth about what I Remote Viewed regarding MH370 and the Captain as well as crew & passengers.

                Nobody will ever challenge me at any time because everyone knows I’m stating truth in addition to holding a government security clearance which requires truthful honest ethical conduct at all times which I adhere to because I’m an ethical person & a caring person that does not lack compassion in any way.

                Sincerely, Robert

                • jamaicajoe

                  Legally you have absolutely nothing to stand on. If you think so, you are delusional.

                  That sort of argument didn’t work for David (my dog made me do it) Berkowitz.

  9. Robert Gordon White

    In terms of fuel everyone needs to understand that Captain Shah flew the Boeing 777 200ER at extremely low elevation so that fuel consumption was extended long after forensic investigators calculated based upon normal flight elevation at cruising altitude. Captain Shah flew the plane over islands in the Maldives whereby he was at extremely low elevation and signage on the aircraft was easily identified by witnesses as they correctly claimed to so-called ‘authorities’ investigating superficially in order to cover up the true location.

    Lastly, I have Enhanced Reliability Status security clearance under the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and I’ll bet my security clearance against any & all forensic investigators of MH370 given that they are unprofessional and are not security cleared as I am.

    Sincerely, Robert

    • PAW

      Negative, Mr “Secret Agent”…. Jet Aircraft, not unlike the B777 has a far better fuel efficiency at higher/cruising altitude due to thinner air and less friction, than low altitude…. You may want to return your secret decoder ring to Little Orphan Annie and rip up the signed letter from Pierre Andre…

      • Robert Gordon White

        I am 100% certain that MH370 flew over the islands in the Maldives and out into the Northwest Indian Ocean as stated by villagers in the Maldives who witnessed the flight March 8th 2014. Evidence collected from that location is factual whereas it isn’t factual information that has led investigators into the Southern Indian Ocean.

        I am not experienced at Aviation and did not realize that fuel consumption is greater at lower elevations whereby oxygen is greater in the fuel to air ratio.

        Without any equivocation whatsoever I’m stating that MH370 had enough fuel to fly past the Maldives islands for approximately another hour of flight time before ditching in the Northwest region of the Indian Ocean.

        Laugh at me all you want. You are an immature individual and obviously not a serious researcher.

        RGW

        • PAW

          My laughter is at your arrogant responses to others on here when you have clearly been proven wrong… Had you simply stated your opinion instead of your self aggrandizing resume as super double secret probation security clearance, I and others on here would have never commented. Next time you push your “credentials”, might I suggest not belittling others while doing so? It makes you look weak, petty and ignorantly arrogant… Good luck…

            • PAW

              Wow, that literally flew right over you, didn’t it…. Nobody cares about your claimed expertise, especially now since you’ve been proven wrong and a fraud. As to your claimed degree, how does psychology make you ” the expert” regarding the process of finding MH370? Nobody asked, nor do they care about what you received a degree in, nobody but you, get it?… Can’t just admit you are guessing like the rest of the world? You just keep digging yourself into that hold deeper and deeper.

              Can’t wait for “the book” to be published… smh.

            • PAW

              Wow, that literally flew right over you, didn’t it…. Nobody cares about your claimed expertise, especially now since you’ve been proven wrong and a fraud. As to your claimed degree, how does psychology make you ” the expert” regarding the process of finding MH370? Nobody asked, nor do they care about what you received a degree in, nobody but you, get it?… Can’t just admit you are guessing like the rest of the world? You just keep digging yourself into that hold deeper and deeper.

              Can’t wait for “the book” to be published…
              smh……..

              • Robert Gordon White

                I can guarantee everyone 100% that MH370 is indeed located in the Northwest Indian Ocean given that I Remote Viewed the flight when it occured March 8th 2014. I’ve given you my credentials and have been forthcoming in terms of answering your questions. Clearly, you are antagonistic towards myself and my comments, but I don’t care whatsoever what you actually think given your antagonisms and obvious anti-social behaviour which is not really conducive to social discourse vis-a-vis MH370.

                Most assuredly I am the individual in this world that will disclose the true location of MH370 via the empirical data collected to date and it will not be the so-called ‘experts’ that are currently espoused as the most experienced in Aviation. In brief, world experts in Aviation will eventually understand my perspective and they will all agree with my assessment in the final analysis of the missing MH370 passengers & crew.

                Sincerely, Robert

                • PAW

                  Ahhh, and the truth shall set you free… So you are a “psychic”… That explains a lot…

                  Good luck with that and the voices…. Still can’t wait to see “the book”…

                  • Robert Gordon White

                    Microagression much?

                    I’d say you have Anti-social Personality Disorder and are frustrated in life which
                    explains your microagressions via discourse.

                    I’m a ZH website follower so I get the fighting & infighting too.

                    Fight Club is my game too, PAW.

                    RGW

                    • PAW

                      Is that your “expert assessment” of me? Not sure what ZH means nor the reference the “fight club”, but hey, you gotta listen to those “voices”, and good luck with that…

                    • Robert Gordon White

                      Zero Hedge is Fight Club for Day Traders, Quants, Brokers, & Hedge Fund managers.
                      RGW

    • jamaicajoe

      What factual evidence do you have that this was a deliberate act by Captain Shah? Let me posit an alternate theory. The cargo included hundreds of pounds of Lithium Ion radio batteries from the Motorola plant in Malaysia and were destined to China. One of those batteries was defective and started a chain reaction fire in the cargo hold. The cargo hold suddenly depressurized and the fire or resulting mechanical fault damaged several normally redundant electrical systems. The fate was sealed at that moment.

      • PAW

        To answer your first question… None… It’s simply the conjecture of one individual.

        To the rest of your post….. BINGO! It’s the only thing so far that fits the entire story. I can remember for years, “experts” declaring the Captain was “suicidal”, and then that changed to “angry and terrorist ties against the Malaysian government because a family member lost the election and was jailed”….. And without any evidence what so ever. No suicide note. No finalization of finances/property. No declaration of intent against the state. Nothing on his computer to indicate a mentally troubled individual. Hell, even his family stated he was a happy individual. As to his flight simulator having “the exact same path and ditch flight”…. That is NOT completely true… It did not follow the same path and reports leaked that he “flew” a number of scenarios to “out of fuel limits” over many years. I have “flown” simulations in a Flight Sim and guess what? I have deliberately crashed it many times…. Why? Because it gets boring after hours of sitting there on autopilot staring at a screen…. Does that mean I’m going to crash an airplane???

        • jamaicajoe

          I have never been a flight simulator aficionado but back in the WIN95 days I played with MS FS . I enjoyed flying a Learjet to FL40, flaming out, going into a flat spin, dropping the landing gear and then recovering. Not swell at landing, I would crash into the Sears (Willis) Tower where I sometimes worked. Did that make me Al Quaida? Nope.

  10. Robert Gordon White

    My comment is wholly logical whereas your rejoinder is nonsensical. The flaperon drifted from the Northwest region of the Northern Indian Ocean adjacent to the Maldives where Captain Shah ditched the plane intentionally March 8th 2014.

    I can guarantee all Forensic Investigators and the entirety of the 29 searching governments that MH370 777 200ER is sitting in the Northern Indian Ocean. I have Enhanced Reliability Status security clearance under the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and my security status is active.

    You people don’t search with logic or actual evidence aside from inference.

    Inmarsat & Ocean Infinity don’t understand Metrology proper or hypothesis testing. Their approach is not
    evidenced based science whereas my approach is.

    Sincerely, Robert

    • Mike Glynn

      The sightings of a Boeing 777 in the Maldives occurred sometime (about 2 hours) after MH370 would have run out of fuel. The Boeing 777 actually sighted has since been identified as a private aircraft owned by the Saudi Royal family that was bringing members of the Saudi Royal family to the Maldives for a vacation.

      • Robert Gordon White

        The Boeing 777 200ER spotted in the Maldives resort area at the time was indeed MH370 and not what so-called ‘authorities’ claim was a Saudi Royal Family private flight. Moreover, the Saudi Government cannot be trusted whatsoever and they are known criminals with pure unadulterated text book Psychopaths as leadership.
        Placing trust with Malaysian Government officials or Saudi Government officials is a fool’s game.

        The MH370 aircraft was spotted over the Maldives region and all the witnesses told authorities 100% truth about what they witnessed. Debris was found locally and the flaperon drifted to Reunion Island from the ditched location in the Maldives. The University of Australia drift analysis excludes possibility that the flaperon came from the Northwest Indian Ocean which renders their empirical detection ability highly suspect given that the flaperon did indeed originate from the Maldives region of the Indian Ocean.

        Confirmation Bias is evident between everyone claiming that the plane is located in the Southern Indian Ocean. University of Australia, Inmarsat, Ocean Infinity, & Richard Godfrey are all unscientifically biased for the search area of the Southern Indian Ocean based upon a false positive statistical error in terms of their calculus. MH370 is located adjacent to the Maldives where Captain Shah intentionally ditched the Boeing 777 so it would never be found.

        Captain Shah was a text book Psychopath that intentionally mass murdered passengers & crew so he could accomplish his criminal goal to never be detected via empirical evidence. Malaysia does not want the wreckage found because of insurance liability which would have to pay out much more when pilots mass murder passengers & crew with criminal intent.

        Malaysia knows that Captain Shah mass murdered the entire roster in his mass murder suicide gambit. He planned the mass murder months prior to committing the international crime against humanity. The Government of Malaysia does not want to pay out for their liability.

        Sincerely, Robert

        • Mike Glynn

          Once again you’ll have to explain where why this 777 appeared over the Maldives 2 hours after MH370 ran out of fuel.

          Also which one of RG’s holding patterns are you referring to, the first, or the second, located hundreds of kilometres from the first?

          • Robert Gordon White

            Captain Shah flew MH370 over two islands in the Maldives. See Sergio Cavauiolo’s website for the collected evidence & testimony of villagers from two of the islands he collected evidence from.

            I don’t have enough technical reasoning to fully explain why MH370 fuel lasted much longer than forensics have determined it could in flight time given that you told me that a 777 eats more fuel at low altitude which is the way Captain Shah conducted the flight for the entire 7 hour flight time roughly. He flew MH370 for another hour out into the Northwest Indian Ocean after he circled one of the islands in the Maldives. One cannot circle an island in the Maldives with a Boeing 777 unmaned on autopilot either.

            I can’t account for the fuel burn rate at the time Captain Shah ditched the plane in the Northwest Indian Ocean on a slow easy glide approximately one minute after MH370 ran out of fuel and precipitated the Inmarsat ping exchange.

            Cavauiolo has the approximate location listed on his website.

            Your assertion that the 22 minute holding pattern is highly significant empirical data that indicates the flight was actively flown by Captain Shah at that time is 100% correct and excellent intuitive thinking on your part as a Captain yourself, Captain Glynn. I researched what you wrote via Goggle. You make excellent points too. I agree with the seriousness that you bring to the search.

            Sincerely, Robert

            • Robert Gordon White

              Sorry, I forgot to mention that the holding pattern I’m identifying is off the Sumatra coast holding pattern.
              RGW

  11. Robert Gordon White

    Richard Godfrey’s analysis of the 20 minute holding pattern off of Sumatra is the best evidence yet of the
    course the plane flew on post-radar loss & transponder shut off that was intentionally turned off by the pilot Captain Shah.

    Inmarsat’s poor logic has led to many millions of wasted funds chasing a pipe dream location. Hard evidence exists to logically search the area off of the Maldives given the detailed evidence of this case.

    It would appear in hindsight that the rush to judgement was biased from the outset of the release of the Inmarsat 7th arc hypothesis which is seriously flawed via logic.

    The evidence points clearly to a murder-suicide plot by Captain Shah whereby his actions were criminally intentional via flying low to avoid radar so that detection would be near to impossible given the probabilities.
    The sightings in the Maldives should never have been ignored from the outset of this investigation given that
    villagers have insisted that they witnessed the plane on that fateful morning flying low over their island in the Maldives.

    Inmarsat also calculated the hypothesized flight path by inputing an autopilot scenario that excluded a controlled soft landing on the surface of the Andaman Sea. The rush to judgement was based upon one
    idea of where the plane could have flown based upon the fuel and speed.

    From assessment of the known MH370 parts found it is evident that the plane was intentionally landed in a slow glide into the sea which explains the loss of the right flapperon and the lack of damage to the main support edge as it was not damaged in a manner that would support a high velocity crash.

    Inmarsat Mathematicians are not exemplary empiricists whatsoever. They have not followed the British Empiricists at all. They are an embarrassment to Empiricism proper IMHO.
    RW

    • Anonymous

      so you totally misunderstand ocean debris drift in suggesting that it ended up off the Maldives. drift theory does support the generally proposed crash area, with debris ending up off the Maldives in that timeframe. So much for your conspiracy theory….

    • jamaicajoe

      The INMARSAT “doppler” data was always suspicious to me. Some of the “drift” that was attributed to manouvers could easily be local oscillator drift from fire on board or cold air from decompression events. I am not ruling out a mechanical disaster.

      • Robert Gordon White

        I agree with your doppler assessment given that Inmarsat is thousands of miles off the mark via their type two error in their hypothesis testing which they also know nothing about given data shows that the flight was not on autopilot and was actually an intentionally palnned flight by Captain Shah.

        This is evident to everyone that understands the calculus & Metrology. Inmarsat chose the autopilot location because that fit their calculations based upon a false notion that the plane was on autopilot when we all know it’s obviously wasn’t.

        You make good points.

        The doppler calculus is certainly suspect & Type Two Statistical Error.

        RGW

          • Robert Gordon White

            I have all sorts of eyewitness accounts of sightings and I have my own evidence that corresponds to the evidence found by other researchers. Between my own evidence and that of one other researcher I’ve got enough for a well written book that will allow all forensic investigators to fully understand the significance of my evidence which will prove to be 100% correct as opposed to all other researchers that are only operating off of inferential data. My data is evidenced based science whereas the alternative researchers are negaged in far too much inferential data mining.

            MH370 is located in the Northwest corridor of the Northen Indian Ocean and only one Systems Theory researcher located in Australia has the ground evidence already collected and documented.

            Sergio Cavauiolo Systems Engineer has a website that indicates the relative location of MH370. You don’t need me to hold your hand to read his website.

            Sincerely, Robert

  12. JamaicaJoe

    I have serious doubts that the MH370 crash was anything but an accident.

    One can make a compelling argument with respect to the Inmarsat “doppler” data that the cabin of MH370 underwent a rapid temperature change that affected the satcom master oscillator/ A temperature change either from rapid decompression (likely) or a cabin fire (less likely).

    • Krista

      It cannot have been a simple accident. The reason is the dramatic U-turn and climb to over 40,000 feet right after the communications were lost. We know this because the Malaysian military tracked the plane on primary radar for around one hour after communication was lost. This had to have been done intentionally by a human at the controls.

        • PAW

          Especially is those lithium batteries reacted to moisture and exploded inside that LD3 container. Depending on which position that LD3 occupied in the cargo bay, damage to critical equipment/wiring could have been severely hampered, leaving the cockpit crew very few options, all of their time just trying to regain control. Smoke quickly fills, depressurization, control failures…. Sure sounds like a disaster scenario to me that explains a lot…

    • PAW

      If I remember correctly, the original release of the freight manifest should roughly 30kg of Lithium Ion batteries loaded into the forward manual bay under and to the rear of the cockpit. A week or so later, the Malaysian Government released a “revised manifest” which showed approximately 590kg of LI Batteries in the after bay loaded into an LD3 container…. The mere fact that such a huge change was made, leads me to believe the planner and ground crew screwed up and the airline and the government knew it and tried to cover it up. There is no documentation nor video, online posts, etc… from the Captain declaring any kind of political issue he had with the government. The assumption that the WSPR “tracking” indicates a “holding pattern” NW of Malaysia before heading due south, well, I need a little more proof. I’m not saying it can’t work, but I do need verifiable proof of this capability.

      • jamaicajoe

        Exactly. Those batteries belong to a huge manufacturer known as Motorola an important long established employer in Malaysia.. Can you imagine the legal liability for that company should it be found that they created a fire?

        • PAW

          BINGO!… And FAA has very strict rules here in the USA for lithium batteries in the cargo bays. They must be handled and loaded onto the plane manually and in a manual cargo bay and only certain manual bays for the very fact that lithium reacts with moisture. So that same bay cannot contain liquids that have the possibility of leaking. The bay must be a pressurized bay to help reduce the chance of condensation… If they were loaded in an LD3 container and into a container bay position, it was a lit bomb waiting for the fuse to burn completely… The fact that the Halon bottle was found (assuming it was still pressurized and buoyant), would indicate the plane was dropping debris (I remember one eye witness claiming the plane was on fire and “flames were dropping”) while still in the air… It’s only a guess but it does seem to explain a lot, unless I’m missing something (other than “psychics” giving their “remote viewing abilities”).

  13. Mike Lonneke

    “Experts” were cocksure the shorter radio waves were utterly useless for long distance and the US Government smugly relegated those ignorant Amateur Radio dopes (Hams) to the wasteland of shortwave.

    100 years ago 1BCG, operated by some “ignorant” hams got across the Atlantic, using those shorter wavelengths which ALL THE EXPERTS pronounced as positively USELESS.

    DK8OK and our own ARRL are just as sure that Richard Godfrey’s research into using WSPR wave displacement as a method to search for aircraft is bunk.

    A new search effort is to take place in 2022 and 2023, using Godfrey’s theories as one of the search criteria.

    Godfrey may turn out to be another Galileo.

    • HorschtiWorschti

      Experts pronounced shorter wavelengths useless because the physics of propagation were not well understood yet. This also applies in a particular way to Richard “Galileo” Godfrey, who based is ridiculous theories on his very poor understanding of propagation, and Nils Schiffhauer has put a lot of effort in explaining the matter to the usually uninitiated supporters of Richard G., but as expected, these facts are cannot be processed in the mind of obsessed armchair Sherlock Holmes.

  14. Whigan White

    Godfrey’s initial position led the search party to found sunken pirate ship ladden with treasure. Who benefits from it?Not MH370 victims’ families, Chinese & Malaysia government!!And he accused the pilot conducted act of terror because Malaysia government prosecuted opposition leader, Mr Anwar Ibrahim to jail sentence(The pilot is strong supporter of Mr Anwar Ibrahim).

  15. Ed Anderson - 370Location.org

    I fully agree with Nils’ assessment of WSPR for finding MH370, and especially enjoyed his reference to bias in FMRI analysis of salmon. Godfrey’s methods are all about confirmation bias, resulting in nothing short of dowsing pseudoscience. Nils has a focus on the aircraft scatter aspects of WSPR, but there are larger problems with Godfrey’s methods. For lack of skip paths between TX and RX over the Indian Ocean, Godfrey makes a false assumption that radio waves no longer take the shortest path, but projects a reverse great circle path around the opposite side of the globe to interact with his targeting guesses. This blankes the Earth with his virtual “tripwires”, form which he can pick at random. Proper peer review and analysis of WSPR will show that Godfrey’s approach is pure bunk.

    • Robert Gordon White

      Richard Godfrey’s analysis is very important analysis and he did indeed get the 22 minute holding pattern location correctly via WSPR data and via satelite data. He is an absolute genius of a person for getting that holding pattern and I have great respect for his knowledge base, but he hasn’t found further WSPR data that’s factual aside from the 22 minute holding pattern.

      He is most assuredly one of the world’s greatest thinkers for determining the 22 minute holding pattern location where others couldn’t find anything. Mr. Godfrey’s research is what prompted me to get involved publicly with this case.

      Mr. Godfrey doesn’t want me on his blog though and he removed me from his blog and characterized me as a ‘Chinese propagandist’ when he booted me off his website for being an outspoken individual.

      RGW

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