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Discovery Dish April Manufacturing Update

This was posted over on our Discovery Dish Crowd Supply updates page and we are cross-posting here too.

It’s been over a month since our last update so we thought we’d share some of the recent progress. As mentioned in our last update, during the month of February all manufacturing was shut down due to the Chinese New Year holiday. In early March, staff returned to the factories and began making progress on finishing Discovery Dish.

We have a snazzy new logo, and we are working on obtaining some stickers to include with the feeds.

 

Dish Manufacturing Progress

The molds for the dish stamping machine were successfully created in March and the test stamps have come out great. The manufacturer is still tweaking the secondary mold that stamps the mounting and connecting holes, but we expect that to be completed shortly. Once that is done and tested, we can begin stamping the dish segments en masse.

The Dish mounting system was also finalized and we added 45-degree markers to it, which can help with aligning skew.

We are still awaiting the results of the anodizing tests, but they should be completed by the end of this month. Anodizing the dish is important as the dish must be a dark non-reflective matte color, so that it does not focus hot sunlight onto the feed point plastic head.

Feed Manufacturing Progress

PCB Upgrades

While waiting for the manufacturers to finish up with the molds, we’ve been further refining the PCB feed. Our final version of the PCB has now moved to a PTFE substrate with significantly lower loss at higher frequencies. This has yielded an over 1 dB increase in SNR at the GOES 1.69 MHz frequency.

The change to PTFE was not without problems. An interesting RF engineering problem occurred with the move to PTFE that we wanted to share. When moving to PTFE the only changes to the board layout are PCB trace width changes to keep the impedances matched. Other than that, the boards and layout are essentially identical. However, we discovered that the dual LNA design started oscillating when we moved the PTFE substrate. Oscillations can occur with LNAs when RF essentially bounces back and forth between the two LNAs, which causes undefined behavior in the LNA, such as poor gain, multiple spikes in the spectrum, and unexpected current draw values.

We found this quite odd because oscillations were not occurring in the original FR4 PCB, and the QPL9547 LNA is advertised as ‘unconditionally stable’ which means that it should never oscillate. However, we found that unconditionally stable guarantees may not apply to two-stage designs. In the end, the fix was simple, we just needed to add a damping resistor to one of the inductors on the circuit which reduces its Q-value. It seems that the change from FR4 to PTFE effectively increased the Q-value of this inductor so much, which in turn induced an oscillation in the circuit.

Discovery Dish Feed Head Enclosure

We’ve also refined the entire feed assembly. The feed arm pipe now has a ruler laser etched onto it so that mounting it at the correct distance is easy. A skew angle guide has also been added around the neck. A thumbscrew locking mechanism has been added to the feed head neck too, so that skew can easily be adjusted without the need for a screw driver or Allen wrench to loosen the set screw.

The PCB enclosure has been slightly refined and the injection molding die is currently in production and due to be completed in mid-May. While waiting for the die to be made, we’ve been testing different plastic mixes for the head enclosure to make sure that they are UV stable. The plastic mix has certain strict requirements and choosing the correct mix is crucial. It has to be RF-transparent with a low relative permittivity value, it has to endure direct sun, UV damage, and freezing weather, as well as be water-proof too.

S-Band Feed

Previously as noted in prior updates we were testing an S-band feed with the FR4 substrate. But we found that there was too much loss and the SNR values we got were not great. The move to PTFE substrate means that our experimental S-band feed is now working very well. We will be releasing this in the near future as an additional feed product that can be used with Discovery Dish. This feed will have a frequency range of 2.2 GHz - 2.3 GHz. This covers the main S-band weather satellites, other satellites like Coriolios and JASON as well as the many dump-only S-band satellites that transmit signals only over certain regions.

As requested by most people interested in an S-band feed, the S-band feed will not include a downconverter, so to use it you will either need an SDR like the HackRF which is capable of tuning to the S-band, or a third-party downconverter product.

Discovery Dish Outdoor Metal Enclosure Progress

Our enclosure set is now complete, and the final packing has almost been completed. The user manual can be found here Discovery Dish Outdoor Enclosure User Manual.pdf.

The final set consists of:

  • 1x Metal Enclosure
  • 3x Custom metal cable glands
  • 1x Vent
  • 1x Electronics mounting board
  • 1x Pole mounting set (with hose clamps)
  • 1x Wall/DIN mounting set
  • 1x 10 mm x 10 mm x 8 mm thermal pad (to be placed under the electronics mounting board)
  • 1x 10 mm x 10 mm x 3 mm thermal pad (to be placed under electronics on top of the mounting board)
  • 1x Set of various screws and washers

(Note that there will be some minor changes from this image in sets going out of customers - the hose clamp will be shorter, and the mounting rails will be longer)

Meteor M2-4 Launch

We mentioned in our last update that a new weather satellite Meteor M2-4 was due to launch. The launch was successful and the satellite is now in orbit. The satellite was briefly turned on after launch, and we were able to receive HRPT images from it in the L-band. However, now it is currently in a testing phase so the transmitters are often turned off. We don’t know how much longer it will be in testing, but we assume it won’t be more than a few more months.

GOES-U / GOES-19 Launch Updates

We’ve been keeping an eye on the expected launch date for the next GOES satellite. Currently, it has been delayed from April 30, 2024, to the new date of June 25, 2024, when it will be launched on a Falcon Heavy from Kennedy Space Center, Florida.

Elektro-L4 Updates

In the last update, we mentioned that we were having some problems getting SatDump to receive Elektro L4 properly on computing devices that used ARM processors. After some investigation, we determined that this was a problem with buffer size settings in SatDump and we were able to suggest a fix in https://github.com/SatDump/SatDump/pull/616 which was implemented. New versions of SatDump have this problem fixed.

Driver Tweaks

We have been looking at the RTL-SDR drivers and have found a few tweaks that can improve performance at L-band frequencies. We’ve put a modified version of the librtlsdr/librtlsdr fork up our the rtlsdrblog GitHub at https://github.com/rtlsdrblog/librtlsdr. With this fork and the PTFE feed upgrades, we now get around 5-6 dB of SNR on GOES-18.

Antenna Rotator

The low-cost antenna rotator is finishing up with prototype testing, and we are now working on improving the design’s manufacturability.

Timeline

The ramping of progress from the Chinese New Year holidays to now has been a little slower than expected, but if everything goes perfectly to plan, we will be on time for shipping by the end of June. However, this is currently a best-case scenario. There are still a few manufacturing stages to get through like the final mass production, CE testing and sea freight shipping. Unfortunately, from prior manufacturing experience, there are always setbacks along the way that slow progress, so we are conservatively pushing our advertised timeline back by about 1-2 months. We apologize for any potential delays, but we are working hard to get the product out to you ASAP!

Customer Questions

We have had a few more customer questions over email which we’d like the answer publicly below:

Would it be practical to use this kit indoors to do hydrogen-line astronomy? I ask because I live in a flat in a block of retirement flats, and wouldn’t be able to place an aerial or dish outside, but could find space for a Discovery dish + rotation gear inside.

Unfortunately, indoor Hydrogen line astronomy is out of the question. The hydrogen line signal is just too weak to be seen indoors, and there would most likely be too much interference indoors as well.

What all do i need to purchase and get for the Discovery Dish for Radio Astronomy?

You’ll need these two components from the Discovery Dish Crowd Supply store:

  • Discovery Dish (Dish & Mount Only)
  • Hydrogen Line Discovery Feed

You will also need a software defined radio, such as an RTL-SDR Blog V3/V4 which can be purchased separately, a computer and somewhere to mount your dish (e.g. a mast/tripod etc).

Have you tested this for C-Band / Aero downlink reception?

Currently, we do not have a C-band feed, so we have not tested it for this purpose. Generally, a larger 1.2 m+ dish is required for C-band AERO, so the 70 cm Discovery Dish may not be suitable. We may test this with Discovery Dish in the near future just in case however.

I want to purchase a hydrogen antenna. Where should I buy it? Also, please tell me what is needed to observe seti radio waves.

The Discovery Dish (Dish & Mount) and Hydrogen Line Discovery Feed can be pre-ordered from the Discovery Dish Crowd Supply store. I’m not sure exactly what you are referring to with SETI radio waves. An alien signal could in theory be on any frequency, but the 1.42 GHz Hydrogen line frequency could be a good bet as it’s a universal frequency of interest that any technological civilization would be observing. Realistically the Discovery Dish would be too small to detect potential alien signals unless they were very strong.

I’ve seen a small home made 3D-printed dish called a ‘heliocone dish’ being used for HRPT. How is Discovery Dish different?

The heliocone 3D printer design going around is a great DIY solution for L-Band polar orbiting HRPT satellites. But it has some limitations as it cannot receive the weaker geostationary satellites due to its smaller size and use of a circular polarized feed. It also cannot receive satellites using the opposite circular polarization. It also cannot receive satellites on different frequencies or the Hydrogen Line without designing a new helical feed and using a different LNA+filter combo. Discovery Dish is a more of a general purpose ‘does-it-all’ and ‘ready to use’ out-of-the-box dish. With our dish and feeds you can receive the L-Band polar orbiting HRPT satellites as well as the geostationary satellites. You can quickly swap out the feed for a different feed that covers a different band as well.

 

Testing a WiFi Grid Antenna for L-Band Satellites

Over on YouTube dereksgc has uploaded a video where he tests out a 2.4 GHz WiFi Grid antenna for L-band weather satellite reception. WiFi grid antennas are typically repurposed in the SDR community for L-Band weather satellite reception because they are cheap and mostly work out of the box. They can also be used for hydrogen line radio astronomy. TV dish antennas are an alternative but with them, a custom feed needs to be built. 

In his video, dereksgc tests the WiFi dish on receiving various polar-orbiting L-band satellites including Metop, and Meteor M2. With the polar orbiting satellites the dish needs to point at the satellite as it passes over the sky and so dereksgc recommends using a mount if hand tracking them.

Later in the video he tests some geostationary satellites but finds that the dish is not tuned well enough to receive Elektro-LN3 properly without modifications. He was however able to receive a noisy image from FengYun-2H successfully.

We note that we also currently have our Discovery Dish product available for pre-order, which is similar to the WiFi grid dish, but smaller and lighter weight with a built-in optimized active feed.

I finally got a WiFi grid antenna for satellites

Saveitforparts: Receiving and Decoding L-Band Weather Satellites

Over on his YouTube channel 'saveitforparts' has uploaded a new video showing how he has been successful at receiving and decoding L-band weather satellites using his setup made from scavenged parts. He uses a custom-built helical feed on a scavenged dish, and an automatic pan-tilt rotator built from an old security camera mount. With this setup combined with an RTL-SDR and LNA and filter he is able to receive polar orbiting L-band weather satellites. 

In the video, he shows how his system works and what his software setup looks like. He uses SDR++ to record the pass initially, then SatDump to decode the data into images. We note that SatDump can be used to decode the images live, and can also record the raw radio files too, so SDR++ is not required.

How To Receive And Decode L-Band Weather Satellites

Multiple Comprehensive Tutorials on Weather Satellite Decoding

Over on his website "Jacopo's Lair" IU1QPR (@original_lego11) who is also a developer for SatDump has written up many tutorials about weather satellite decoding that involve the use of SatDump. SatDump is a popular piece of software often used with RTL-SDRs and other low cost SDRs for decoding weather satellite images.

With a small satellite dish, feed, RTL-SDR and LNA+filter and the SatDump software it's possible and download beautiful images of the earth from many geostationary and polar orbiting weather satellites. We note that we are currently taking pre-orders on Crowd Supply for our Discovery Dish system, which is low cost hardware designed to help users get started with weather satellite reception.

Over on Reddit IU1QPR has created a listed summary of all the tutorials he's written. These are currently the most up to date and comprehensive tutorials that we have found on this topic. The tutorials cover everything from what satellites are available, what dish sizes you need, what SDRs can be used, what LNA+filter and other hardware you need, and how to use the SatDump software.

Satellite reception and decoding

Automated stations

SatDump usage

All have been moved to SatDump's documentation page

Satellite data processing and usage

From the HRPT tutorial: What various HRPT signals look like on the spectrum.
From IU1QPR's HRPT tutorial: What various HRPT signals look like on the spectrum.

Crowd Supply Discovery Dish Teardown Session: Thursday 30 November Noon PST

Crowd Supply is hosting Teardown Session 38 on Thursday 3- November at Noon PST time which will feature the Discovery Dish. Join us for this livestream where I will be talking about and showing the Discovery Dish prototype.

Discovery Dish is currently being crowd funded over on Crowd Supply. It is designed to be an easy entry to the world of L-band weather satellites, hydrogen line radio astronomy, and Inmarsat reception. The Discovery Dish aims to be the start of an ecosystem of hardware designed to get users set up with satellite reception, including a planned companion light-duty antenna rotator.

Remember to click on the “Notify me” button on the YouTube link in order to be reminded about the stream!

Teardown Session 38: Discovery Dish

Saveitforparts: Building an L-Band Satellite Antenna out of an Umbrella

Over on his YouTube channel "saveitforparts" has uploaded a video where he uses an umbrella, pin tin and tin foil tape to create a simple dish antenna for receiving GOES, NOAA and METEOR HRPT satellites.

The full build consists of an umbrella covered in tin foil tape, a helical wire feed on a pie tin, a filtered LNA, an RTL-SDR and an Android phone running SDR++. While he did have initial success at receiving, he soon decided to swap out the helical wire feed for a PCB linear feed instead which worked much better as helical feeds can be very difficult to get right.

Through the video saveitforparts goes over the failures he had, in the end noting that it's not a great antenna, but it's something that can be used in a pinch.

We've also seen the umbrella satellite dish used a few times in the past, where here it was used for NOAA APT reception, and here for Hydrogen Line radio astronomy.

We also want to remind readers that we are currently Crowd Funding for our Discovery Dish, which will be a low cost way to get into L-band satellite reception.

Can I Get Satellite Data With An Umbrella?

Repurposing a Wireless networking Dish for L-Band HRPT Satellite Reception

Over on his YouTube channel, "saveitforparts" has uploaded a video showing how he's modified an old wireless networking dish for L-band HRPT satellite reception. L-band satellites that transmit HRPT are polar orbiting, meaning that some sort of tracking solution is required to point the satellite dish at the sky as the satellite passes over. However, lacking any sort of motorized solution, saveitforparts simply removes the dish mount so that the dish can be manually held and tracked.

He notes that he uses the paid version of the Stellarium app for augmented reality tracking of the satellite. In the past there was a great app called "Satellite AR" which did this for free, however within the past few years it has unfortunately been removed from the Google Play store.

The modifications to the dish involve removing the feed from the satellite and installing a custom built helical feed. He also uses a small handheld PC with RTL-SDR on the rear. However in the end the handheld PC turns out to be problematic so he switches to a laptop.

The dish used in saveitforpart's project is quite similar to our upcoming Discovery Dish crowd funding project, so please check that out if you are interested.

Handheld Cyberdeck Dish For Live Satellite Data

SARCTRAC Mk3b: A $290 Satellite Antenna Rotator

In January we posted about the AntRunner, which is a $325 (incl. shipping) satellite antenna rotator shipped from China. Recently we've come across another low cost satellite rotator from Australia called the "SARCTRAC Mk3b" which was developed as part of a school amateur radio educational program. This rotator fully assembled comes in at AU$400 + AU$50 worldwide shipping (US$290 + US$40 = US$330), making it's price comparable with the AntRunner. SARCTRAC can be purchased from the sarcnet products page. Currently only the fully built unit is available, but in the future they plan to offer a cheaper kit option.

We're yet to test the SARCTRAC Mk3b, but based on an overall review of it's advertising, it appears that the SARCTRAC has some superior specifications and a superior design when compared to the AntRunner.

Unlike the AntRunner, SARCTRAC comes with all its components enclosed in a waterproof IP65 rated enclosure. Its design also makes use of a 3D position sensor with magnetometer, allowing the unit to know its orientation at all times, meaning that it should be able to automatically position itself from startup. The design also makes use of DC motors with a built in worm gear drive, so the the motors back driving is not possible. 

The system is controlled via a built in Raspberry Pi 3B+ and can communicate with the controlling PC via WiFi. Raspberry Pi's have stable WiFi connections, so we shouldn't see the connection problems that we had with the ESP32 based AntRunner.

Just like the AntRunner, SARCTRAC is only a lightweight rotator with torque specs of 50kg.cm static and 25kg.cm dynamic. So it should be able to handle counterbalanced Yagi beams, and lightweight dish antennas.

The SARCTRAC Mk3b. An Australian designed and made light duty antenna rotator.
The SARCTRAC Mk3b. An Australian designed and made light duty antenna rotator.
SARCTRAC Mk3 Satellite Antenna Rotator Controller and TRACker